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  • 01 Aug 2012 1:24 AM
    Reply # 1027472 on 1026198
    Deleted user
    I believe the 3-3-3 was $3K for bathrooms, $3K for paint/cleanup, $3K for kitchen upgrade (low end), $3K for grounds, etc. for rent-ready (higher for reselling)...While you're on the MLS look at some rehab flips pix (you'll know the ones)...You could also check/browse @ Lowes or Home Depot, IOW, "shop" for pricing: carpet, flooring, countertops, appliances, bathrooms upgrades, etc. to familiarize yourself with standard pricing; ballpark numbers...
    This way you'll eventually be able to judge (guesstimate) the costs yourself. There is also a standardized "blue book" for contractors out there (cannot recall the title :\) somewhere in cyberspace...cost: $75 or so. 
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  • 01 Aug 2012 12:23 PM
    Reply # 1027886 on 1026198
    Robin Carriger (Administrator)
    A quick rule of thumb for a 1200 sq ft house is to estimate $3K for each significant part of a house that needs work.  Electrical, plumbing, foundation, roof, HVAC, paint, flooring might each be allocated $3K using this method.  If the house is larger (like 2000 sf or so), you might use $4K instead of $3K.
  • 01 Aug 2012 11:13 PM
    Reply # 1028330 on 1026198
    Those are some great guidelines.  I'll have to commit them to memory (not an easy task for some of us.)  Just to make sure, you're not assuming every house is going to need all of these correct?  Obviously roof and A/C won't need to be fixed in EVERY house, but what about bathrooms and kitchens.  

    Being the main selling point, do most rehabbers typically gut them and finish them out nicely?  Is it safe to assume any house older than say 10 years is going to need the kitchen and bath gutted?  That's the approach I've been taking while browsing the MLS and hoping to improve upon my knowledge.
  • 02 Aug 2012 12:22 AM
    Reply # 1028352 on 1026198
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    Mike, Yes, when you rehab (restore a house) to its original or current day updates, you build equity in the property.
    Again, it depends on what your goal is in the end. 
    You wouldn't finish out a rental with top quality updates for tenants to use and abuse over time, would you? 
    If it's a resale exit then by all means, as a rehabber, you'd want to make it as nice (& appealing) as possible to potential new buyers. 
    You wholesale cheap houses for a small profit to an end buyer that rehabs their properties for resale. It's a lot more work involved to rehab or renovate and so the rehab investor profits a larger percentage in the end for his/her efforts. It simply depends upon the sweat put into each level of the property game. The work involved is congruent to the monetary profits.
    A bird dog does very little, their profit is small...A wholesaler carries out a bit more details and plays middleman (supplier); charging about a 5% finder's fee ...A rehabbing investor gains more because he has more at stake (the actual moneyman/buyer, [not a contract rights holder] who (generally hires a crew to perform the improvements) and) has more work to do because he/she is actual rehabbing and reselling a property for larger profits. The improvements are commensurate to the nature of your exit strategy. 
    Some rehabbers, unfortunately, [to me] leave off a lot of integral exterior details by only improving the interior of the property and leaving the exterior untouched or hardly touched. For example, there was a property in my neighborhood recently that was an obvious rehab flip from MLS pix. They did a wonderful job on the inside! However, it was a surprise to many of us because they hadn't even painted or cleaned up the yard or fence on the OUTSIDE! Driving by it appeared to be the same old house...the book was really good BUT the cover was ugly! LOL
    They could've fetched more and improved the neighborhood at the same time as well with a few more dollars on the exterior. Just my thoughts/opinion. ~Hope this helps!
  • 02 Aug 2012 12:38 AM
    Reply # 1028357 on 1026198
    Deleted user
    PS. The Kitchen is the hub of the house. Bathrooms are important, too! They are what is SEEN and used most.
    Bedrooms are mainly flooring & a fresh coat of paint. It just depends upon the age of the property.
    You would not have to do as much to say a house built in 2007 as you would to a house built in 1957!

    Main concerns (things UNSEEN): roof, electrical wiring, foundation, structures, HVAC, plumbing, mold, termites, lead; "the bones" of the property have to be inspected, taken into account and considered when doing the numbers. 
    Familiarize yourself with the standard pricing for each area. Find service people that can/will stay under your budget for each area. The whole house should be at the same level of improvement, I think. Don't spend all the improvement money in the kitchen. Look at the WHOLE house and break it down from there. :D

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