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Can renters be selectively evicted?

  • 02 Dec 2015 11:08 AM
    Message # 3671109

    The short story is a lady and her mom are renting from me (started March 2011). She finds someone she wants to spend her life with. I check him out and let him move in(February 2014). Now I find out they have been fighting & she had kicked him out. He came back to get some of his stuff last night, though, and kicked the door, causing it to have to be replaced. The lady will pay for the door, and obviously he has to go. So, I would like advice. Can I selectively evict him, and how? Is that what I SHOULD do (is there some reason I should evict them all?) should I call the police about the broken door? Thanks for your help.

  • 02 Dec 2015 12:01 PM
    Reply # 3671194 on 3671109
    Deleted user

    Here is my opinion (please note: this opinion is not legally based whatsoever… Also, I only have a couple of rental properties so my knowledge on this topic is very low)…

    • 1.      In addressing the selective eviction, I would say that you either evict them both or neither one… Why? Because it could very well be a “he said/she said” situation and you don’t want to take sides on this… The door was kicked in and the tenant will pay for it… If you deem this to be a evict able offense then kick them all out or not (unless the man confesses to being the one who did it, then is when you would just kick him out)…
    • 2.      I would NOT call the police in this situation… You’re a landlord and this is a business. I would not go that deep in to the personal situation of a tenant. Let them work out their own issues. Once you get involved then you’re can’t necessarily uninvolve yourself, plus you don’t know what the potential ramifications could be for inserting yourself in a volatile situation like this… Will the man go after you for calling the police on him? If the tenant has agreed to pay for the door then there is no other reason to call the police (in my opinion).

    I would struggle with a situation like this one because this is a business (and it’s not personal), but you’re dealing with people, and the primary dwellings of those individuals (which essentially makes it more personal than selling widgets)…

    The above again is just my opinion from an outside source reviewing this without knowing the applicable law,  nor knowing all of the nuances or circumstances surrounding this…

    Thoughts?

     Brian R. Baker, MBA

  • 03 Dec 2015 1:08 PM
    Reply # 3673171 on 3671109

    I agree with Brian. Evict them both or let them stay but if the lease is in both their names you probably need to treat them together as the ‘Tenant’. They need to work out ‘their personal’ differences between each other. Don’t get in between because if they patch things up or they get worse you are going to be the bad guy. If he agrees (in writing) to being dropped from the lease draft a new lease with only her name.

    I had some recent experience with this except is was the boyfriend that wanted to force the girlfriend to move. I got a call one evening from her asking me what she should do. I told her that I can’t advise her and that she might want to contact a lawyer. Two days later she called and said everything was alright and they worked it out. If they had not and they gave me cause to evict under the terms of my lease I would have evicted both of them.

    This is merely my opinion and you may want to consult with a lawyer.


  • 03 Dec 2015 1:30 PM
    Reply # 3673203 on 3671109

    I have some landlording experience, but I am not an attorney, nor am I giving legal advice.

    When you let him move in, did you give written approval?  Did he sign any agreement/lease?

    You mentioned that you checked him out, so I'm guessing you have his phone number.  Perhaps you could call him and let him give his side of the story.  He's mad at her, not you (as far as I can tell).  You may be able to build rapport with him, and ask him not to return to the property nor do any further damage.

    You don't need to call the police.  This sounds like a civil matter, so they will probably not act.

    My opinion is that you should consult with an attorney prior to taking any adverse action against anyone if you are unsure about what the law allows.

    Last modified: 03 Dec 2015 1:35 PM | Jesus Galaviz
  • 03 Dec 2015 7:57 PM
    Reply # 3673585 on 3671109
    Deleted user

    I think you both are right... Phillip I think you nailed it! You are I are in lockstep on this issue for sure. 

    Brian R. Baker, MBA 

  • 04 Dec 2015 1:01 AM
    Reply # 3673938 on 3671109
    Robin Carriger (Administrator)

    I'm also not an attorney and am not giving legal advice.

    If he's not on the lease, in my opinion, he has no right to be there and can be selectively evicted if you like.  However, from a practical standpoint, I wouldn't do that unless she is agreeable with that plan.  If he's not on the lease, and she wants him to stay, I would qualify him and include him, if he qualifies, on a new lease with them both.  At that point, they can be jointly considered as "the tenant" and can be dealt with together as "the tenant" and evicted if they violate the lease.

    As far as trying to resolve issues between them, or for that matter between different tenants in different units in a multi-family dwelling, I would refer whoever calls you to the police unless one of them reports a VERIFIABLE lease violation.  It's unwise to try to take action as a landlord on a "he said / she said" type of domestic story.  I get that stuff from time to time, and I almost always refer people to the police.  Usually they tell me they already have called the police and that the police didn't do anything.  When I hear that, in my opinion, it's a really good clue for me to stay out of it as well.

    For more of a "warm fuzzy" on this, I recommend you consult with a professional property manager, or, as others have said, hire an attorney.

    Thanks,

    Robin
  • 04 Dec 2015 3:15 AM
    Reply # 3674106 on 3671109

    Something else you have to look at is whether or not they may be considered legally married. Texas recognizes marriages without formalities, or "common law" marriages. Chapter 2.401 of the Texas Family Code covers this.

    http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/SOTWDocs/FA/htm/FA.2.htm

    Basically, if they have ever represented themselves as husband and wife (and this could be merely casual tongue in cheek statements made in passing or just for ease of conversation), they live together, and neither is legally married to another person, it can be successfully argued that they are, in fact, legally married. The only requirement missing for establishment of a common law marriage is for there to be an agreement made between themselves to be husband and wife, and that agreement can be verbal being that Texas recognizes verbal agreements as binding. Even if there is no proof of this agreement, if both parties have made comments referring to the other as "my husband/wife," especially in one another's presence or in joint conversations, then an agreement can be inferred.

  • 06 Jan 2016 1:26 AM
    Reply # 3742051 on 3671109

    Thank you for your advice. It was very helpful in thinking through the situation. So far it has been pretty simple. She paid to have the door replaced. The police were not called. No one was evicted, but he has not come back.

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