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Mortgage Application Slowdown nationwide. How about D/FW?

  • 13 Sep 2013 2:16 PM
    Message # 1388724
    Deleted user

    What You May Be Missing About Wells Fargo

    The bad news has continued rolling in on the mortgage front. Mortgage applications are falling... fast. Wells Fargo  (NYSE: WFC  ) jumped out first and said it was cutting thousands of jobs in its mortgage department. JPMorgan  (NYSE: JPM  ) and Bank of America followed suit and said they're cutting jobs, as well. Heck, even Citigroup is letting some people go related to mortgage lending.

    Clearly, this is bad news for banks. 

    For confirmation, you don't have to look any further than Wells Fargo's second-quarter income statement. During the quarter, the bank raked in an impressive $2.8 billion from its mortgage operations. You can bet that won't continue in the quarters ahead.

    But, if you're a bank investor, none of this should be new to you. We've now been talking about rising mortgage rates, and the drop in mortgage applications for months. And even before that, we knew that rock-bottom interest rates, and an epic boom in refinance activity, wasn't going to last forever. 

    In all of the fuss over the mortgage-banking slowdown, what may be overlooked is the fact that there's a heck of a lot more to these banks than just mortgage lending -- even when it comes to U.S. mortgage leaders Wells Fargo and JPMorgan.

    Let's just focus on Wells here for a minute. 

    As I mentioned above, during the second quarter, Wells' total mortgage banking fee income was $2.8 billion during the second quarter. Total fee (and other non-interest) income at Wells for the quarter was $10.6 billion. Mortgage banking is a somewhat large fee contributor to Wells' business, but it's just one contributor among many. Plus, it's not like we're talking about mortgage-banking income going away completely -- just falling.

    Digging deeper, we can also remind ourselves that Wells' overall business is a lot more than just consumer lending. At the end of the second quarter, Wells' balance sheet housed $253 billion in one-to-four family mortgage loans, and $439 billion in total consumer loans. But, it also had $189 billion in commercial and industrial loans, and $363 billion in total commercial loans. In all, Wells' balance sheet isn't far off from a 50/50 split between commercial and consumer. 

    As long as we're thinking about the balance sheet, we might as well remind ourselves that that's where the other half of Wells' revenue comes from. Higher interest rates will push up what Wells has to pay to borrow money, but that's unlikely to rise as fast as the rates that the bank collects on the money that it lends. As that plays out, you'll end up with fatter interest spreads at Wells (yes, and most other banks, too). 

    Add it all up, and I think we may be at a place that's advantageous to long-term investors. There's the clear, well-covered prospect of short-term pain as mortgage-banking fee revenue falls. But there's the longer-term benefit of wider spreads and more income from lending operations. I have no problem taking advantage of the market's short term bias... do you?

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  • 14 Sep 2013 10:04 AM
    Reply # 1389199 on 1388724

    Here is another perspective on the subject;

    Prepare For Tough Times If Your Job Has Anything To Do With Real Estate Or Mortgages      

    Michael Snyder
    Economic Collapse Blog
    September 12, 2013

    If you have a job that involves building homes, buying homes, selling homes or that is in any way related to the mortgage industry, you might want to start searching for alternate employment.

    Seriously. Interest rates are starting to rise dramatically, and mortgage lenders such as Bank of America, Wells Fargo and JPMorgan Chase are all cutting thousands of mortgage-related jobs. Last week, mortgage refinance activity plunged to the lowest level that we have seen since June 2009 and total mortgage activity dropped to the lowest level since October 2008. Unfortunately, this is only the beginning. Mortgage rates closely mirror the yield on 10 year U.S. Treasuries, the the yield on 10 year U.S. Treasuries has nearly doubled since early May. But it is still only sitting at about 3 percent right now. As I have written about previously, it has a ton of room to go up before it hits “normal” historical levels, and so do mortgage rates. As I noted the other day, some analysts believe that the yield on 10 year U.S. Treasuries is going to hit 7 percent eventually. If that happens, mortgage rates will be more than double what they are today. And we have already seen the average rate on a 30 year fixed rate mortgage go from 3.35 percent in May to 4.57 percent last week. If interest rates continue to rise we could be heading for a “housing Armageddon” that will make the last housing crash look like a Sunday picnic.

    The mini-housing bubble that we have been enjoying for the last couple of years is coming to an abrupt end. It doesn’t matter what the mainstream media is telling you about a “sustainable” housing recovery. Just look at how the big mortgage lenders are behaving. They know the gig is up. According to Bloomberg, Bank of America has just announced that they will be eliminating 2,100 mortgage-related jobs…

    Bank of America Corp., the second-largest U.S. lender, will eliminate about 2,100 jobs and shutter 16 mortgage offices as rising interest rates weaken loan demand, said two people with direct knowledge of the plans.

    Would they be doing that if we were really heading into a “sustainable housing recovery”?

    And Wells Fargo and JPMorgan Chase are also both eliminating thousands of mortgage-related jobs

    Mortgage lenders are paring staff as higher interest rates discourage refinancing and cast doubt on how long the housing market rebound will last. Wells Fargo & Co., the biggest U.S. home lender, plans more than 2,300 job cuts, and JPMorgan Chase & Co. may dismiss 15,000.

    Would they be doing this if they thought that brighter days were ahead?

    Of course not.

    In fact, Well Fargo just announced that it expects to make 30 percent fewer home loans this quarter because of rapidly rising interest rates.

    It’s over folks.

    The mini-housing bubble that the mainstream media has been hyping so much is over.

    If your job has anything to do with real estate or mortgages, it is time to start thinking about a career change.

    This is especially true if your job is related to refinancing mortgages. All of the smart people have already refinanced. As rates continue to rise rapidly, the only ones that will be refinancing are really stupid people. According to Zero Hedge, mortgage refinance activity has already dropped by a whopping 70 percent since early May…

    For the 16th of the last 18 weeks, mortgage refinance activity plunged (dropping 20% this week alone).Since early May, when the dreaded word “Taper” was first uttered, refis have collapsed over 70%. With mortgage servicers and providers large and small laying people off, it seems hard for even the most egregiously biased bull to still suggest that the housing recovery is sustainable.

    And this rise in interest rates is just getting started. The Federal Reserve has not even begun to “taper” yet. Once that starts happening, the consequences could be quite dramatic

    “In early 1994, when the U.S. recovery gained strength, the Fed started a tightening cycle and bond markets crashed not only in the U.S. but also around the world,” European Central Bank Executive Board member Joerg Asmussen said on Tuesday.

    “If spillovers were large in 1994, we can expect them to be even larger today in an even more deeply interconnected world,” he added in the text of a speech for delivery in Brussels.

    Of course when the Federal Reserve “tapers” their quantitative easing it won’t really be “tightening” as much as it will be slowing down the pace at which they are recklessly creating tens of billions of dollars out of thin air. But the effect will be similar to what we saw back in 1994.

    As interest rates rise, it will become much more expensive to buy a home and much more difficult to sell a home. To give you an idea of how dramatically interest rates can affect housing affordability, I wanted to share some numbers from one of my previous articles

    A year ago, the 30 year rate was sitting at 3.66 percent. The monthly payment on a 30 year, $300,000 mortgage at that rate would be $1374.07.

    If the 30 year rate rises to 8 percent, the monthly payment on a 30 year, $300,000 mortgage at that rate would be $2201.29.

    Does 8 percent sound crazy to you?

    It shouldn’t. 8 percent was considered to be normal back in the year 2000.

    Are you starting to get the picture?

    As interest rates go up, home prices will have to fall. Otherwise, nobody will be able to afford them.

    In the end, we could end up with tens of millions more homeowners that are substantially “underwater” on their mortgages.

    So who is to blame?

    The Federal Reserve of course.

    They created this bubble by forcing interest rates down to record low levels.

    At some point it was inevitable that interest rates would start reverting back to more “normal” levels, and that “adjustment” is going to be immensely painful for the U.S. economy.

    As we saw back in 2008 and 2009, when the housing industry suffers the entire economy suffers.

    And the higher that interest rates go, the more suffering there will be.

    So let us hope and pray that interest rates do not go any higher, but let us also start preparing for the very worst.

  • 15 Sep 2013 8:18 AM
    Reply # 1389721 on 1388724
    Robin Carriger (Administrator)

    As dire as the info in Dan's post sounds, it's not really targeted at Real Estate Investors, and, if you think about it, it's actually good news for Real Estate Investors.  Positioning yourself for the next market cycle is essential, but, in the grand scheme of things, it's nothing new.  If houses are harder to sell, it means buyers who have access to cash or who have learned how to do creative financing will be able to do some great deals.  BTW, if the news were the opposite, that would be good news for Real Estate Investors too.  The famous advice "Buy low.  Sell high." comes to mind.

    If Real Estate Investors don't pay attention to the Real Estate market horizon and are always behind the market curve, they're more likely to have challenges, but, even then, there will still be good deals out there for those who know the fundamentals of investing and act accordingly.

    The lesson here is to be informed, get engaged and continue to be active as a Real Estate Investor.  Staying tuned to this forum and regularly attending our meetings are both really good ideas for being successful as a Real Estate Investor and for not getting burned by market fluctuations.

  • 15 Sep 2013 11:50 AM
    Reply # 1389834 on 1388724
    Deleted user

    In In the good times and in the bad times investors make money in Real Estate. Every day, if the sky is falling or not there are investors walking away from the closing table with a profit. People will read the news and panic thinking there will never be another home to buy or another home to sell. Those are the people that quit and move on. Every person that gives up leaves money on the table for those that are in it for the long haul.
    When interest rates were 14% to 18%, the people that survived the market cycle just figured out creative ways to make it work for them.


    Listen to Robin and heed his advice: "The lesson here is to be informed, get engaged and continue to be active as a Real Estate Investor.  Staying tuned to this forum and regularly attending our meetings are both really good ideas for being successful as a Real Estate Investor and for not getting burned by market fluctuations."

  • 16 Sep 2013 12:36 AM
    Reply # 1390264 on 1388724
    Deleted user
    Here here. I'm feeling pretty good about the future. 
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