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  • 30 Apr 2013 5:31 PM
    Message # 1282448
    Deleted user

    Question on buying subject to:

     

    Why would a seller agree to the terms? They lose control over the property and have to trust that the buyer will make timely payments, but the buyer's credit isn't on the line. What am I missing?

  • 01 May 2013 7:46 AM
    Reply # 1282793 on 1282448

    Alan

    Tim Cook here.  First, stop worrying "why" someone would sell using this method.  Just know they do for a wide varity of reasons and these reasons are their "Hot Buttons", their motivation for selling their house.  If they are comfortable and "Trust" you AND they see you are confident in what you are offering (You must believe it yourself that it works) and your offer satisfies their "hotbuttons" then you may have a deal.  It's all about their motivitation and NEED to sell i.e. lost a job, divorce, job transfer and can't afford two pmts etc and do they trust you.  It's not for everyone, ONLY the motivated and the sellers must be comfortable and trust you.

    CAUTION:  These are cool transactions, but many times a FREE house isn't really free.  There is alot of responsibility and work that comes with these transactions.  You must be ready to step up to the plate and do what you say you will do so be sure the risk is worth the reward.  Make sure you use the correct paperwork, make sure you disclose disclose disclose everything you have agreed to in writing.  They must understand the importance of ongoing communications with you and not just dissappear from the face of the earth after the closing.  You may need them.

    My last recommendation is, walk away from the deal if your seller is hard to work with, non-cooperative in any way.  It's not worth it.  It's one of those Gut-feel decisions.  If they are not cooperative now, they won't be cooperative when you need them for something in the future to get the deal done.  Trust me, it's not worth it.

    Good luck.

     

  • 01 May 2013 9:02 AM
    Reply # 1282865 on 1282448
    Robin Carriger (Administrator)
    Alan, Tim's right.  It's all about the seller's motivation, the seller's understanding of the "sub2" deal process, and the seller's willingness to cooperate with you as that process moves along.  In my view, it's best to get the seller, and, perhaps more importantly, the seller's lender, out of the picture as soon as possible (3 yrs or less is great).  When you get your "sub2" buyer refinanced into his own loan, you can live happily ever after.
  • 01 May 2013 9:27 AM
    Reply # 1282890 on 1282448
    Deleted user

    Alan,

    My numerous sub2 deals have included sellers that tried to list on MLS but property would not sell, divorce, moveing out of state, behind on payments, etc.   This is just one of the many tools in your toolbox that you must take advantage of.  The majority of my deals have no equity so they can not sell the traditional way or would have to come out of pocket if they did.  I get into the deals because I am not concerned with the market value but instead only look at cash flow.  The majority of my Sub2 deals have a cash on cash return exceeding 50% and produce on average $250+ cashflow per property. 

  • 02 Jul 2013 8:17 PM
    Reply # 1332007 on 1282890
    Rocky Vasquez wrote:

    Alan,

    My numerous sub2 deals have included sellers that tried to list on MLS but property would not sell, divorce, moveing out of state, behind on payments, etc.   This is just one of the many tools in your toolbox that you must take advantage of.  The majority of my deals have no equity so they can not sell the traditional way or would have to come out of pocket if they did.  I get into the deals because I am not concerned with the market value but instead only look at cash flow.  The majority of my Sub2 deals have a cash on cash return exceeding 50% and produce on average $250+ cashflow per property. 

    rocky you got any subto deals you want to sell?

  • 13 Dec 2013 8:01 PM
    Reply # 1457897 on 1282448
    Hello Dean, I have a couple if you are interested. Send me your e-mail address and I'll shoot them over to you.

    ghpinvest13@gmail.com

    Thanks,

    Gorden
  • 15 Dec 2013 2:49 PM
    Reply # 1458633 on 1282448
    Richard Kellett (Administrator)

    Gordon-All the replies you have received are valid. Call me if you need to get more in depth.
    Dick Kellett
    817-915-0122

     

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