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When a subject-to is snafu'd by the investor: excerpt from Trulia

  • 12 Jan 2013 6:58 PM
    Message # 1178425
    Deleted user
    "I sold my house to a company that used a 'subject 2' transaction in 2007. They would take over making the payments and I would transfer the house to them. It was with the understanding that in 1 - 2 years they would finance the house and all proceeds would go to them. Well 2 years turned into 4 years and then they started making payments late. Then they stopped making the payments and haven't made any payments in 2 months. I tried to contact the company without success. I did contact the people who are in the house and explained the situation. They "bought" the house from the original company in 2007 and have their payment automatically withdrawn from their bank. So they're not the problem. I checked Tarrant County TAD web site and the people that are currently in the house are listed as the owners. My question is, do I have any recourse against the original company and what is the possibility of selling the house to the current occupants?"
  • 13 Jan 2013 8:36 AM
    Reply # 1178696 on 1178425

    Hi Barry,

    Sorry to hear your deal has gone south on you after all this time.  Let me address a couple of your comments but first I want to say I am NOT an attorney and this is NOT legal advise.  You may want to check with an attorney for your legal rights.  I'd highly recommned Bryan Dunklin in dallas.  I have his number if needed.

    It's not uncommon to have a subject to deal get sold and the original balloon payment timeline get extended for a varity of reasons, the market, lenders, but normally buyers are not ready credit wise to do their re-finance.  I have extended several to accomidate the excuses.  The one concern I always have is, the longer it goes on the more chance a buyer may run into problems and end up in a similar situation.

    With regards to your specific situation, if I understand correctly, the current owner/buyers are paying the seller (your buyer that you sold to) and NOT the mortgage co or a third party servicing company.  If this is true, and if the current owners/buyers don't want to lose the house, you could either have them pay a 3rd party servicing company such as August REI or have them pay the mortgage co directly and STOP paying the seller the entire amount, but they do need to pay him his profit/difference (if any) in each of the monthly payments (i.e. if the owner finance mortgage pmt is $1,200 to the Seller and the pmt to the mortgage co is $1,000 they should send the seller just his $200 and pay the $1,000 to the 3rd party servicing co and let the 3rd party servicing company pay and DOCUMENT the payments have been made.  There is risk in this also however based on what you have said I think if you set this up correctly, get an attorney involved for proper notifications to the seller I think you can resolve this and get it behind you.

    As a follow on to all this, I'd be talking to the current owner/buyers about credit repair guidance and re-finance for all the above obvious reasons.

    And my last comment/questions is, I'd love to know this company name so I can be sure to stear clear of them.  I can't tell you how many owner finance buyers I have spoken to and work with that have experienced the same type of business management.  Im selling a home next week to a buyer that has been paying payments to an investor for 9 years and $50,000 later they just lost what they thought was their home.  Makes the business tough for the good guys like us but with the right system in place, testimonials, references the bad can be overcome and we can still help families that NEED our help.

    Best of luck on this.  Hope this helps.  Let me know if you have any questions.

    Have a great day!

    Tim

     

  • 13 Jan 2013 10:56 AM
    Reply # 1178747 on 1178425
    Robin Carriger (Administrator)

    If I read Barry's post correctly, Barry was just reading about someone else's situation and decided to repost it here because he thought it sounded interesting.  Either way, I agree with Tim.  One way or another the underlying mortgage will have to be paid, or the current owner and the original seller will both be negatively impacted.

    I also would like to know who the "investor" is who's facilitating this deal. BUT PLEASE DON'T POST THEIR NAME HERE, or it will be deleted.  DFW REI Club is not the least bit interested in a libel lawsuit regardless of the guilt or innocence of the person or company in question.

  • 14 Jan 2013 2:25 PM
    Reply # 1179686 on 1178425
    I misunderstood too-didn't read the Post Title.  Snafu is not a verb.  Perhaps get rid of the s, the n, the a, and the u.
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