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  • 05 Aug 2012 5:50 PM
    Message # 1039193
    Deleted user
    Hello, before I reach out to an agent to request their assistance with pulling comps & submitting offers on REO's I just wanted to confirm how I can be of benefit to them.

    1.The majority of the comps I'll be requesting will be on deals found from driving for dollars & marketing. There would be no agent involved if I closed this type of deal, correct? (So I would need to kick them back some $ for continuing to help, correct?). 

    2.I also plan on submitting offers on REO's. Since an agent is required to submit those; my agent would then need to be apart of the double closing & will get paid out of that,correct? (Again, I plan to wholesale)

    Please let me know if I am correct or if you have any other opinions that you could add. (I am aware that if I was actually doing the rehab/flip method, I could then list the property with the agent....That'll be next year ;)
     
  • 08 Aug 2012 2:06 AM
    Reply # 1041736 on 1039193
    Cindy Carriger (Administrator)
    Regarding the realtor getting paid if you do a double close on an REO, yes they will get paid.  However, there can be many 'pitfalls' when trying to 'flip' houses on the MLS, espec. those owned by banks, as the banks/FHA can stipulate that there be no subsequent sale of more than 20% increased price within say 90 days.  Those 'rules' are everchanging, so make sure the realtor who is working with you finds out and lets you know.

    The upside for the realtor could also be that you promise to hand them any deals that are not good buys for you because they want to much for their house.  Sometimes the seller is stuck on getting a certain price, and we tell them if they think they can get that, then they need to get a realtor, not an investor.  Also, you can put them in touch with other investors that might want to use them for various transactions of their sales, or purchases too.  Those referrals may not be overwhelming, but do the best you can...and also be as respective of their time as possible.  

    You may even be able to work with more than one realtor at a time to not overburden one particular realtor by asking for so many comps (assuming you have that many to deal with!)   (i have forgotten the details of the rest of your question, and cant look back to see it until i post this, so i hope i am on the right topic/track!) = b

    You will also sometimes know friends or family looking for a realtor, and you can refer them to the realtor. 

    hope this helps- im sure other's may have other ideas too...so hopefully they will post them soon!  It's stuff almost all of us went through.  
  • 08 Aug 2012 7:47 PM
    Reply # 1042328 on 1039193
    Deleted user
    Thank you very much for your detailed reply. I appreciate it! 

    So, just curious, how are investors who actually rehab & flip getting around the title seasoning requirements? Do they plan for it to be on the market for 90 days anyway & then take the small loss in profit due to holding cost? (Or do they not place offers on REO's with banks that require that?)
  • 08 Aug 2012 8:42 PM
    Reply # 1042370 on 1042328
    Deleted user
    RJ Texas wrote:Thank you very much for your detailed reply. I appreciate it! 

    So, just curious, how are investors who actually rehab & flip getting around the title seasoning requirements? Do they plan for it to be on the market for 90 days anyway & then take the small loss in profit due to holding cost? (Or do they not place offers on REO's with banks that require that?)
    It's all about the mighty dollar.. It depends on how good of a deal the house can be purchased for. If it's a marginal deal, the seasoning requirement could be a deal breaker. It just depends.. You just have to put a pencil to paper and figure it all out. If you know there's a seasoning requirement you would have to adjust your offer to account for that extra expense.  For example, I'd be glad to purchase a house for $30K, hold it for 90 days and later sell it for $100K.. Yes, that's an extreme example, but I'm sure you get the idea..

    In addition to being an investor, I'm also a licensed Realtor. As Cindy mentioned, I'd be happy to try to help out when I can. 

    Click my forum user name for contact info!  Thanks.

    Joe - - 


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  • 08 Aug 2012 11:46 PM
    Reply # 1042471 on 1039193
    Deleted user
    Hey RJ!

    If you're looking to do / wholesale REO deals it will behoove you to get this:
    http://www.reorockstar.com/nov/offer.php?a_aid=4de306decb7a9

    I know a lot of people that have successfully used these techniques..

    Good luck,
    KJ

  • 09 Aug 2012 9:27 AM
    Reply # 1042794 on 1039193
    Deleted user
    RJ,

    I hate sounding like a broken record on this forum, but since people seem to gloss over important but unpleasant details I thought I would being them to everyone's attention.

    "Flipping MLS Listings" - Aside from the fine points Cindy makes above about title seasoning (many sellers (especially BofA) are starting to include 'no resale / change in title within 90 or 180 days') I SUGGEST TO YOU IN THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE WAY you consult a REAL ESTATE ATTORNEY about what you are planning to do.

    It is common practice for wholesalers to place a property they find on the MLS under contract, then execute another contract to sell it to someone else at a higher price. Here are the problems with that strategy:
    1. In order for the original purchase agreement to be valid, you must be WILLING (everyone WANTS to buy good deals) AND ABLE (do you have the funds?) to purchase that home. What are you going to do if your end buyer fails to show up? In a situation like that, if you don't have the ABILITY to purchase that home yourself, when you execute a TREC agreement, you have probably committed fraud.
    2. You are executing a legally binding contract (with your buyer) to sell them something YOU DO NOT OWN. Last time I checked this was also called fraud. Think about it. If you used Joe Stone, a licensed Realtor, to place a home I have listed on the MLS under contract, then you presented Cindy another contract to purchase that home, what is she going to do if I fail to sell you the house? How are you then going to sell it to Cindy when I change my mind and refuse to sell it to you? While you might be busy trying to sue me to compel me to perform, what is Cindy going to be doing to you?
    3. If a Realtor is involved in this kind of transaction, regardless of the kind of contract used or disclosures you put in place, TREC told me on the phone if they are made aware of this, they will yank that agent's license and heavily fine their broker.

    WHOLESALING BENEFIT TO REALTORS (or lack thereof):
    The truth for most Realtors is there is very little benefit to be had helping wholesalers flip wholesale deals. 

    As an investor, you can try and buy good will / feelings with Realtors in order to access their information/expertise by building pleasant working relationships with them, but the time and effort involved in building those relationships from the Realtor's perspective to work with wholesalers is much better spent investing that same time / effort / money with Retail Buyers first, or Rehabbers second. 

    Additionally, if you do manage to get Realtors involved in wholesale transactions, you are most likely going to run into situations (regularly) where a Realtor says something along the lines of "I can't be involved in that" or "my broker won't let me do that." 

    And from their broker's perspective, wholesaling is 100% ILLEGAL. They view it as the unlicensed practice of Real Estate - cheating. In effect, you are asking a Realtor (who works for a broker) to help you take business away from licensed Realtors. That doesn't make good business sense.

    If you want to be a wholesaler, I suggest you are better off learning to do your own marketing and market research analysis (comps) using existing investor tools (TAD.org / DCAD, Investway, etc.), than you are trying to partner with a Realtor in order to gain access to the same basic information (NTREIS, FAMREIS, etc.).

    I fully expect to incite a lynch mob of angry wholesalers with this post, but this is information all new investors need to know, but almost no investor information sources will make available to them.

    Hope this helps!

    -Greg

    Greg Wilson
    The Real Estate Investment Mentor
    Last modified: 10 Aug 2012 6:02 AM | Deleted user
  • 09 Aug 2012 12:56 PM
    Reply # 1042999 on 1039193
    Deleted user

    Greg, thanks for your candor and information about this topic. I think some people might get lulled into a false sense of security because they have read about or know someone else that was sucessful. Just because someone else did something and didn't get caught doesn't mean that it's ethical or legal.

    I also did some reading about the above mentioned "REO Rockstar" program too. There's an eBook that can be read online that goes into some of the details. Even that program causes me some heartache after reading about different tactics that are promoted in order to delay funding in transactions or how to delay providing Earnest money. Is it really too much to ask to provide funds when they are due? I also seriously don't like all of the information about gaining favors and inside information from REO Realtors in exchange for commission kick-backs, $200 restaurant gift cards and football tickets. If that's really the only way to buy REO property for good prices, then I'M OUT and you should be too! I will not be spending $40 on the Rockstar program, which according to what I've read online really turns into costing closer to $1000 before you're all said and done.

    I hate to say it, but due to the irresponsible actions of a few bad investors that get caught and are highlighted in the media, it casts a broad negative shadow on the entire business. In my opinion if an investor can't do business legally and ethically, then get out!

    Last modified: 09 Aug 2012 1:00 PM | Deleted user
  • 09 Aug 2012 9:56 PM
    Reply # 1043261 on 1039193
    Deleted user
    WOW, thank you all for taking the time to make this clearer for me. This information is really helpful.
  • 10 Aug 2012 10:50 AM
    Reply # 1043642 on 1039193
    Deleted user
    New Western & Networth Realty offer REO resale deals, multiple ones, everyday, even HUDS. They are realtors/brokers and seem to have a successful model with the REO sale to investors. Suggest you discuss these concerns with some of them. How can they do what others can't? They benefit by getting the commission on the purchase, even if they make a small amount or nothing when they flip to an investor. Because of their size, it seems they may have more pull with the banks (just guessing) and if you are working full time in another job, they are doing the leg work. Interesting how some people just make things work, regardless of the road blocks others see.

  • 10 Aug 2012 1:38 PM
    Reply # 1043715 on 1039193
    Deleted user
    Joe, what is the ebook you mentioned?
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