Dallas-Fort Worth Real Estate Investor Club

Questions about BRRRR - Please help!

  • 22 Aug 2019 2:09 PM
    Message # 7844027

    Please feel free to jump down to the questions at the bottom of this post! I don’t want to scare off any potential help with a long post, but I wanted to lay out a theoretical situation and ask questions at the end. Please let me know if any of my steps along the way are wrong/misguided. Question numbers are in parentheses throughout the scenario.

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    My goal is to start BRRRRing SFR properties in my neighborhood in Fort Worth. I am going to start "Walking for dollars" and picking out distressed/abandoned properties. I already have owner info and such from the county assessor. Once I pick out several properties, I will send out personalized mailers. (1)(2)

    Once I get a call back and a willing seller, I will draw up a contract (with the document I pulled from the Texas Real Estate Commission.) (3)

    Next, I would have at least 5-7 days option built into the contract so that I could get contractors in and have estimates. Then, if all goes well in the option period, the seller and I could go to the title company for closing and funding. (4)(5)(6)(7)

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    1.Based on square footage and exterior condition, I feel like I could go ahead and make contingent offers and include that in my mailers. Would that be a good idea?

    2. I would also want to include a seller finance option. So my mailer would say something like “I can offer you up to $60,000 cash or $70,000 with seller financing. *contingent upon walk-through” This would be a personalized part of the mailer and I will figure these numbers up based on what I’ve seen of the house and county info. Would that be a smart way to handle that or should all numbers be discussed in person?

    3. Do I need to use a real estate agent? It seems that I could, with a little research, fill out the offer contract on my own and avoid using an agent. I’ll be using PML or hard money. I’ve bought 2 houses already, so I know the process fairly well and want to make sure that going agent-less is ok?

    4. If I use private money lenders (family/friends) would I just have them wire funds to the seller/bank at the time of closing? Or should I have my lenders send me the money ahead of closing so that I can send it to the seller?

    5. I’ve been told that all of the documents that I need between my lender and myself can be taken care of at the title company. Is that true? If not, what documents do I need to have prepared/signed before I go to closing?

    6. Funding question… I have several people interested in investing with me that have smaller dollar amounts to offer (like $15-20k each.) These are all personal relationships. How should I utilize that money and how do I secure each person’s investment with the property as collateral? Would the highest investor have the number one lien spot and the rest would be listed in the 2nd lien spot? Would this be considered syndication and thus require filing with the SEC?

    7. I also have someone interested in investing a larger amount with me, but they currently live outside of Texas. If they were to completely fund a BRRRR for me, would that raise SEC red flags, since it would technically be an interstate transaction?

  • 23 Aug 2019 8:52 AM
    Reply # 7845057 on 7844027

    Putting property specific info in your mailers is a good idea to me, numbers are even better. You have to differentiate yourself from all the other letters they get in the mail.

    You don't need an agent to buy and sell properties for yourself.  You can use any contract form you like.

    Using money from friends and family is a great way to get started. Do they require to have a lien on the property?
    For my direct investors, I borrow money from them personally and give them a promissory note that says I will pay them interest on the money I borrow.  They don't get involved on how I use the money.  They can sue me personally for my assets if I do not perform on the note. That is a much easier solution than anything else.

    If they want some attachment to the property, I would set up an LLC or limited partnership. You will be the manager with all decision making power.  The investors will be members with no say in how the business runs. The entity will hold title of the properties. You lay out everyone's equity percentage in the entity based on their payout of the profits.

    I hope this helps,
      Neil Aggarwal
      Property Financing, LLC



  • 24 Aug 2019 12:05 PM
    Reply # 7847397 on 7844027

    Thanks for the response, Neil! I appreciate the input.

  • 30 Aug 2019 1:13 PM
    Reply # 7856903 on 7847397
    Taylor White wrote:

    Thanks for the response, Neil! I appreciate the input.

    If I were you and wanted to go the equity route on these deals, I would have your out of state buyer buy the property outright on hard money or cash, then, when he/she refinances, have them allocate shares of their LLC per whatever % y'all decide on. That way, if you want to go out and buy properties in your own name you don't use up your 10 opportunities for conventional finance by having your name on the note. 

    This is not legal advice, though, so do as you please. If you need help finding on market deals or selling them once they are fixed, let me know. I am a realtor and would be happy to help. Feel free to email me at brrrr2030@gmail.com

  • 30 Aug 2019 7:22 PM
    Reply # 7857664 on 7844027
    Robin Carriger (Administrator)

    Taylor,

    I've been slammed lately and haven't found the time to reply to all your questions.  However, if you'd like to give me a call at 817-300-1132, I'll be happy to chat with you.

    Thanks,

    Robin

    DFW REI Club - President
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